Obama wins
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Impending_Doom66
[09] Warrior
Actually I'm not an idiot I'm not one of those morons that whines about taxes. Our national debt is insane and I for one think the only way out is high taxes.
Like wise I am a college student pursuing a concurrent major (BS and BA) and I work 40 hours a week so don't give me some crap like I'm a spoiled child or something, because I'm paying my way. I never said I won't do community service because I do it every now and then, but I will be damned if the government is going to tell me I have to. All those bums in congress and the white house do nothing but bicker and give themselves pay raises. It's just like that crap about military students getting more benefits. Bush and McCain would always try to guilt trip people who didn't support the war by saying they don't support the troops yet they were opposed to a bill that would give military students more financial help should they decide to pursue a college education (the current aid is crap). But nooo they said it would make people leave the military early so they would want to give them those benefits. I refuse to anything of the sort you mention until the government gets its head out of the gutter and actually betters the country instead of ruining it.
Like wise I am a college student pursuing a concurrent major (BS and BA) and I work 40 hours a week so don't give me some crap like I'm a spoiled child or something, because I'm paying my way. I never said I won't do community service because I do it every now and then, but I will be damned if the government is going to tell me I have to. All those bums in congress and the white house do nothing but bicker and give themselves pay raises. It's just like that crap about military students getting more benefits. Bush and McCain would always try to guilt trip people who didn't support the war by saying they don't support the troops yet they were opposed to a bill that would give military students more financial help should they decide to pursue a college education (the current aid is crap). But nooo they said it would make people leave the military early so they would want to give them those benefits. I refuse to anything of the sort you mention until the government gets its head out of the gutter and actually betters the country instead of ruining it.
iKotomi
[10] Knight
whiff? The point about taxes has nothing to do with whining. It was there to illustrate not that you should pay more, but rather, that you HAVEN'T paid more. Just because you're paying for college (probably at a subsidized cost), doesn't mean you have paid the full cost of education. First of all, the fact that it is subsidized means that the somebody, probably the government, has already paid a significant portion of your bill for you. Second of all, I was talking about elementary to high school education which is more or less mandatory in America, of which you definitely have not paid the full cost of, and the community service is targeted at.
Say you work 40 hours a week. I'm assuming you're not working at like google or something 40 hours a week, so it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that most of that is going towards your own living costs unless your parents are paying for everything else.
If you are going to a state school, that's already the government helping you out. If you are going to a private school and not on grants or scholarship, you're probably taking out a student loan, which the government has also helped you out with. However, even if you work 40 hours a week, just to pay for college, you're looking at years, of debt before you pay off your loan. You haven't even paid for college, and you're saying you've paid your way out of all your schooling before college? Give me a break. I don't care how little time you think you have for community service, because clearly you are not at the margin where you must give up something necessary in order to do it. At that point, people just suck up the costs, and pay what they have to pay. Its because of people's refusal to pay the full cost of anything that we have to have government in the first place.
Say you work 40 hours a week. I'm assuming you're not working at like google or something 40 hours a week, so it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that most of that is going towards your own living costs unless your parents are paying for everything else.
If you are going to a state school, that's already the government helping you out. If you are going to a private school and not on grants or scholarship, you're probably taking out a student loan, which the government has also helped you out with. However, even if you work 40 hours a week, just to pay for college, you're looking at years, of debt before you pay off your loan. You haven't even paid for college, and you're saying you've paid your way out of all your schooling before college? Give me a break. I don't care how little time you think you have for community service, because clearly you are not at the margin where you must give up something necessary in order to do it. At that point, people just suck up the costs, and pay what they have to pay. Its because of people's refusal to pay the full cost of anything that we have to have government in the first place.
iKotomi
[10] Knight
The underlying message was, 1 hour of community service a week is hardly a big deal, considering the fact that you got an education that you didn't pay for. I think that millionaires should pay for their education, and people that aren't millionaires should pay what they can. I hardly see anything wrong with the idea that people should pay for things that they receive.