Obama wins

All I want to say was that I was happy to see so many young people vote, this shows that my generation actually cares, I mean I friends who voted for the same person that i did, but i also have friends that voted the other way, the best part is that we have the right to vote any way we want.... Now I do have to say I did like the speech that McCain gave last night. Even though he did not win, he was a good runner..
 
Stalin killed 30 million people... but it was his own people, Russians... so we were kinda okay with it... But the fact that Obama is socialist is why I would never have voted for him (I wouldn't vote for McCain either). Socialism is a governmental idea that has NEVER worked. Not once in the history of the world has Socialism ever succeeded, every country that has tried it has failed.

Socialism will never work in our country and time has already shown that it hasn't. From after the great depression to 1965, the unemployment rate in our country dropped continualy each year. This is running on private funding and true philanthropy. When people donated money, it all went where it was supposed to go. But it suddenly dropped in 1965 and has stagnated ever since (or got worse). What happened in 1965? Our government created Welfare and Unemployment programs. All of a sudden, with government intervention, things became less efficient and the money didn't go where it should have.

I'll quote something I said in another thread...

everyone is saying after these past couple of weeks that the stock market crash is proof that the Free Market and Laize Faire system is a failure. But in truth its not, what has been failing is our government's continual need to interfere and try to regulate our Free Market system. Poverty has been universally decreasing in countries that have a free market system without government intervention. Botswana, the freest economy in Africa, is the most prosperous country in Africa. People in Chile have a standard of living that rivals even the richest countries. There are many other examples that prove that the Free Market works...

But let me put it another way... something thats easier to understand. John wants a specific item; Bob creates that item. Without the free market, John would walk over to Bob, shoot him in the face, and then take the item by force. A very violent approach, and everyone loses in the end because John no longer has a source to get said item. With the free market, John would walk over to Bob, offer him some money for the item, and from then they can barter on price. Then in the future, John would have the oppurtunity to buy future items from Bob. Now lets say Jane shows up, she is Bob's boss (ie: government). Jane tells Bob, "you can't sell that item to John, I dont like him". The so called "free" market isn't free at that point and Bob gets shot in the face... Notice that Bob gets shot in the face, not Jane.

Free Market = World Peace
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harlekein said:
From an unconventional European perspective: I don't think McCain was a bad choice, but Palin... what the hell?

Obama is a socialist who has done nothing but conceal and deny his past. We got a lot of those running Europe and it isn't really working out. His plans will lead to lots of bureaucracy. Bureaucracy in itself will always oppose change and live for nothing but to ensure its own existence. This will be Obama at best. At worst he will be the next Stalin.

*running out of migration options*
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Whoa. Lot of nutters still around. Thought they all died off last night.
 
maybe i missed something here, but how is Obama a socialist? wouldn't it be more accurate to call him a socio-democrat, if anything?

and how does socialism lead to people being shot in the face over a pack of gum? and how does a "free market" prevent the shooting of the faces? maybe someone can give me a concrete example of this scenario?

Obama seems like a fairly intelligent individual, and so does the first-lady. pretty excited to see how it all pans out.
 
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